Notes for Beyond the PDT, Episode 21

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Episode 21 … Brice Foose (79:41)

  • Interview from 2019

  • Lives in St. Louis

  • Trades remotely for Seven Points Capital

  • Pharmacist at CVS in evenings and weekends

  • Started trading in 2011

  • Graduated from pharmacy school in 2013

  • Started at Seven Points in January 2019

  • Joined subscription website, Bio Runup in 2012

  • Focused on biotech stocks, had an edge being a pharmacist

  • Good year in 2013

  • 2014 learned how to short and lost money for the next three years

  • 2016 took a loss in DRYS that was huge, shorted at $12 (it went to $100)

  • Account went from $55,000 to $8,000 after DRYS loss

  • January 2017 finally got traction, green year

  • Couldn't overcome fees when shorting with small account

  • In 2017 with $40K account, had $68K in gains, fees were $70K, so a red year

  • 2018 his best year, 2019 should be even better

  • Put in the time and never give up

  • Every trader who is good has battled through things to get them where they're at

  • Main things is controlling losses

  • Have to have confidence in your method that you can make your losses back

  • Got $20K from his stepdad

  • Wanted a method that he could use for the rest of his life

  • Anyone looking for a quick buck, trading is not the profession for this

  • Oversized losses mainly explain his red years

  • If you feel enough pain, you're going to change

  • "Getting away with stuff" before big DRYS loss

  • DRYS loss the best thing that ever happened to him

  • Insitituted max loss after DRYS

  • Can see through press releases since he's a pharmacist

  • Does biotech catalysts, wants hard date and doesn't hold through catalyst

  • Anything up huge in the morning that has an ATM, he's interested in shorting

  • Knows all the companies that are notorious for pumping stock price

  • Combines technicals with fundamental bias

  • Looking for things to fade all day or a couple days

  • Tough to have long bias with scammy company

  • Liked Mike Katz on Twitter, impressed with attitude and demeanor

  • Attended every Traders 4 a Cause since 2014

  • Met Katz in Vegas at Traders 4 a Cause in 2018

  • Asked Katz if he could trade remotely for Seven Points

  • Failed one of his licensing tests at first, but it was a blessing in disguise (missed a bad market)

  • Seven Points has great borrows and gave him more buying power

  • People on TWTR never post about fees, they can be a killer

  • Seven Points internal messaging system is key, surrounded by good traders

  • A trader's midset can be fragile, good to have pep talks from fellow traders

  • Uses hard stops for every short position, already mentally accepted the loss

  • Tries to be positive, life is short, cut out the constantly negative people

  • Dreamed of going to the NBA, realized he wasn't going to make it

  • Worked out a lot in high school and college

  • Did body building for two years, ultimate exercise in discipline

  • Hard stops and max losses keep him disciplined, can't spiral out of control

  • No more adding, no more holding and hoping (which he did in the past)

  • If you trade with edge, and avoid bad losses, the sky is the limit

  • If he takes a loss, he's confident he can make it back quickly

  • Uses wide stops, sizes position to lose a certain dollar amount

  • Uses 1-minute charts during the day

  • Uses technical levels for targets

  • His strength is he can hold winners for a long time, tries not to take partial profits

  • Doesn't think of risk reward when he places his stops

  • 90% win rate means risk reward can be 1 to 1 [or worse]

  • Talked to a lot of top traders in person at Traders 4 a Cause, like Phil Goedeker (who spent 25 minutes with Brice)

  • Met Brian (Lee?) at Traders 4 a Cause in 2016, became buddies, helped each other through tough times

  • Another buddy, Justin, talks with him during Brice's half-hour commute

  • Talks with ViperofDC (Jay) about mindset

  • Essential to have some trading buddies who are on your level and have the same mindset

  • Trading is a lonely business, amount of traders who come and go is staggering

  • He wasn't profitable the first three years he attended Traders 4 a Cause (a tax deductible business expense)

  • He had his eye on the big picture, looking 20 to 30 years ahead

  • Traders 4 a Cause in October, best trader networking event he knows of

  • Tips for beginners: trading is tough, you need to put in 10,000 hours at least

  • Use ThinkOrSwim OnDemand ... it's an incredible resource, speed up your learning curve, use every weekend

  • Embrace your losses and learn from them

  • A losing year is not the end of the world, learn from it and move on

  • The amount of money you can make is totally insane, mind-boggling to a normal person

  • Use negative energy to improve your trading, channel it to motivate yourself

  • His CPA in 2014 saw his statements and said, "you know we have investment services down the hall"

  • Pissed off, motivated him, said to himself that yearly loss I will make in one day in future

  • Feel the pain and build the habits

  • You need to have a side income, pay your bills while you're learning

  • Big believer in trading podcasts, loves listening to them

  • Intuition developed through screen time is huge

  • He never paper traded, need the emotions that come with risking real money

  • Build a process that you can eventually scale

  • Don't give up ... learn and improve ... focus on continuous improvement ... learn from your losses

  • "Train the Brain" -- a SmashTheBid saying ... hold something longer than you planned to, build patience

  • Had cancer when he was two years old, a survivor

  • Pharmacist income is very high, opportunity cost too high to quit, spent seven years in school for it

  • Focused on paying off his debt: car, mortgage, student loans

  • Has real estate LLC, needs the W-2 to secure loans, lenders look askance at trader income (too volatile)

  • On Twitter, but rarely posts, turned off by the nonsense ... @PharmDFoose