Episode 102 ... Eugene Soltes (86:41)
- His book, Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White-Collar Criminal
- [Is Soltes another spelling of Soltys? (a Polish Jewish name)]
- Professor at Harvard Business School .. finance, accounting, eight years on faculty
- Had aspirations to be a trader
- Econ undergrad, Masters in statistics
- Worked at UBS, exotic options
- Got a PhD, Great Financial Crisis hit, went into academics
- MSNBC show called "Lockup" inspired him
- Wanted to hear from white collar criminals, not violent criminals
- Wrote to former Enron and Tyco executives in jail
- Wanted to understand their perspective
- Steven Richards, Global Head of Sales of Computer Associates, wrote thoughtful letter in reply
- "Subtle fraud" ... backdating contracts to prior quarter, eight CA execs went to prison
- Understanding the psychology of fraud
- 90%+ of people he wrote to, responded
- "the challenging part of their lives" .. he means being imprisoned, Soltes big on euphemisms
- Spent a lot of time with Bernie Madoff, mastermind of largest Ponzi scheme in history
- Bernie came from nothing and built an innovative brokerage firm
- Madoff former Nasdaq chairman, highly respected and admired, SEC frequently called him for advice
- Madoff one of the first to purchase order flow
- Allen Stanford was $5BB fraud, big but a fraction of Bernie's
- Madoff knew many of his victims ... all close within the Jewish community
- Madoff rationalization for the Ponzi scheme, kept doubling down on a "capital violation" -- what a nut
- $50BB+ in money under management at Bernie's fund, over a decade of no activity, just Ponzi payouts
- Said he was earning 8-12%, any redemption he met with fund inflows
- Very few redemptions because the stated returns were so amazing
- People begged Madoff to get into the fund
- 2008 the jig was up, redemptions exceeded inflows
- Any sophisticated investor could instantly see it was a fraud, the returns were completely unrealistic
- A lot of people looked the other way, wanted to participate in fraud not realizing it was a Ponzi
- All his false positions were in tiny, illiquid markets ... just made no sense given his size, obviously ridiculous to anyone who spent ten seconds with the numbers
- Can buy Madoff bogus statements on eBay now
- Bernie just made a "series of mistakes," a charming guy, very smart and clever
- Regulators overlooked all the red flags
- Feeder funds aggregated small investors' money, sent to Bernie
- Suing investors who took money out of the fund to pay people whose money was left in the fund
- 2006 SEC deposed him about front-running his brokerage business orders; he wasn't doing this
- Was so inconceivable he was a fraud (highly respected), regulators didn't look hard enough at him
- Bernie and sons decided to alert regulators in the end
- First impression of Bernie: cordial, whip smart, great memory
- Bernie is "distantly aware" of what he did wrong
- Madoff unusually calm in prison, taking it in stride [because he's a sociopath]
- Michael Rand, chief accounting officer, at Beazer Homes
- Housing boom, housing bust
- Cookie Jar Accounting ... not over-reporting earnings, but under-reporting earnings, "over-reserving"
- Unusual case where Rand was *under-reporting* earnings during housing boom
- Five years in prison for under-reporting earnings
- Managing the Street's expectations
- Shop around for estimates that work best for you
- Pension assumptions also all over the map, underfund pensions to maintain earnings
- Insider trading -- using confidential information to make trades
- Capital One employees correlated their credit card database with company sales, e.g., Chipotle sales boom, made trades based on their analysis, caught and went to jail
- Two credit card companies do sell their aggregated data to hedge funds
- Satellite data of store parking lots, car counts -- valuable data
- Private helicopters fly over oil reserve fields to make estimates -- valuable data
- Expensive data sources give these insights ... info legitimately acquired
- Challenge to identify victims of insider trading
- McKinsey exec Rajat Gupta tipped another Raj info he learned at Goldman Sachs board meeting
- Received "friendship" from Raj, "fuzzy" benefit, no money, still convicted
- Perpetrators very distant from victims so they don't feel bad about it
- Prison is nasty ... dirty, cold, and loud ... rich guys still suffer that
- Every white collar criminal he interviewed in prison was not remorseful, only troubled by missing family events
- Nav Singh Sarao, flashing and spoofing very common
- Tom Hayes, LIBOR scandal ... individuals as scapegoats for institutional problems
- www.eugenesoltes.com
- Twitter: @eugenesoltes