Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 102

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 102 ... Eugene Soltes (86:41)

  • His book, Why They Do It: Inside the Mind of the White-Collar Criminal
  • [Is Soltes another spelling of Soltys? (a Polish Jewish name)]
  • Professor at Harvard Business School .. finance, accounting, eight years on faculty
  • Had aspirations to be a trader
  • Econ undergrad, Masters in statistics
  • Worked at UBS, exotic options
  • Got a PhD, Great Financial Crisis hit, went into academics
  • MSNBC show called "Lockup" inspired him
  • Wanted to hear from white collar criminals, not violent criminals
  • Wrote to former Enron and Tyco executives in jail
  • Wanted to understand their perspective
  • Steven Richards, Global Head of Sales of Computer Associates, wrote thoughtful letter in reply
  • "Subtle fraud" ... backdating contracts to prior quarter, eight CA execs went to prison
  • Understanding the psychology of fraud
  • 90%+ of people he wrote to, responded
  • "the challenging part of their lives" .. he means being imprisoned, Soltes big on euphemisms
  • Spent a lot of time with Bernie Madoff, mastermind of largest Ponzi scheme in history
  • Bernie came from nothing and built an innovative brokerage firm
  • Madoff former Nasdaq chairman, highly respected and admired, SEC frequently called him for advice
  • Madoff one of the first to purchase order flow
  • Allen Stanford was $5BB fraud, big but a fraction of Bernie's
  • Madoff knew many of his victims ... all close within the Jewish community
  • Madoff rationalization for the Ponzi scheme, kept doubling down on a "capital violation" -- what a nut
  • $50BB+ in money under management at Bernie's fund, over a decade of no activity, just Ponzi payouts
  • Said he was earning 8-12%, any redemption he met with fund inflows
  • Very few redemptions because the stated returns were so amazing
  • People begged Madoff to get into the fund
  • 2008 the jig was up, redemptions exceeded inflows
  • Any sophisticated investor could instantly see it was a fraud, the returns were completely unrealistic
  • A lot of people looked the other way, wanted to participate in fraud not realizing it was a Ponzi
  • All his false positions were in tiny, illiquid markets ... just made no sense given his size, obviously ridiculous to anyone who spent ten seconds with the numbers
  • Can buy Madoff bogus statements on eBay now
  • Bernie just made a "series of mistakes," a charming guy, very smart and clever
  • Regulators overlooked all the red flags
  • Feeder funds aggregated small investors' money, sent to Bernie
  • Suing investors who took money out of the fund to pay people whose money was left in the fund
  • 2006 SEC deposed him about front-running his brokerage business orders; he wasn't doing this
  • Was so inconceivable he was a fraud (highly respected), regulators didn't look hard enough at him
  • Bernie and sons decided to alert regulators in the end
  • First impression of Bernie: cordial, whip smart, great memory
  • Bernie is "distantly aware" of what he did wrong
  • Madoff unusually calm in prison, taking it in stride [because he's a sociopath]
  • Michael Rand, chief accounting officer, at Beazer Homes
  • Housing boom, housing bust
  • Cookie Jar Accounting ... not over-reporting earnings, but under-reporting earnings, "over-reserving"
  • Unusual case where Rand was *under-reporting* earnings during housing boom
  • Five years in prison for under-reporting earnings
  • Managing the Street's expectations
  • Shop around for estimates that work best for you
  • Pension assumptions also all over the map, underfund pensions to maintain earnings
  • Insider trading -- using confidential information to make trades
  • Capital One employees correlated their credit card database with company sales, e.g., Chipotle sales boom, made trades based on their analysis, caught and went to jail
  • Two credit card companies do sell their aggregated data to hedge funds
  • Satellite data of store parking lots, car counts -- valuable data
  • Private helicopters fly over oil reserve fields to make estimates -- valuable data
  • Expensive data sources give these insights ... info legitimately acquired
  • Challenge to identify victims of insider trading
  • McKinsey exec Rajat Gupta tipped another Raj info he learned at Goldman Sachs board meeting
  • Received "friendship" from Raj, "fuzzy" benefit, no money, still convicted
  • Perpetrators very distant from victims so they don't feel bad about it
  • Prison is nasty ... dirty, cold, and loud ... rich guys still suffer that
  • Every white collar criminal he interviewed in prison was not remorseful, only troubled by missing family events
  • Nav Singh Sarao, flashing and spoofing very common
  • Tom Hayes, LIBOR scandal ... individuals as scapegoats for institutional problems
  • www.eugenesoltes.com
  • Twitter: @eugenesoltes