Episode 106 ... Turney Duff (76:04)
- Wrote a book called "The Buy Side" in 2013
- Consulted on the TV show, "Billions," tries to make dialogue and situations more authentic
- "A Story of Spectacular Excess" the subtitle of his book
- Grew up in small town in Maine, wood-stove heated house, in the 1980s
- Three older sisters, simple way of life
- Went to Ohio University, journalism major, 970 SATs
- January 1994 moved to NYC, $1,400 in the bank
- Thought he'd get a job at a magazine
- Thought Goldman Sachs was a fancy department store
- Had an uncle (Tucker) in the business, got him 10 job interviews
- Had one suit from Filene's Basement
- Interview at Lehman, saw the trading floor, reminded him of a casino, it was intense, he was hooked
- Got an offer at Morgan Stanley, PCS, Private Client Services, sales assistant job
- Lots of admin bullshit, but learned a ton, loved his job, there for five years
- Bulk of clients were high net worth individuals ($10MM-$100MM)
- [Duff has a great smoker's voice, wonder how many packs he smokes a day? Newports, he says]
- Got a call from Galleon Group because they needed a sales assistant, they knew him from Happy Hour
- $300MM hedge fund in 1999
- "Expect to be fired every day; it's a good day if you're not"
- Low man on the totem pole
- Insider trading was the norm in 1999
- First year Galleon up triple digits
- Wouldn't take the time to get to know any new analyst since most would leave within two weeks
- Gary Rosenback head of trading desk, #2 behind Raj Rajaratnam
- David Slaine, "dream informant" ... took down 30+ people in insider trading scandal
- Raj was happy-go-lucky, but capable of extreme wrath
- Raj would create rivalries between two like individuals in the firm
- Raj arrested Oct. 16, 2009, sentenced in 2011
- Appease the public after Wall Street bailout by taking down insider trading rings
- Galleon's phones were tapped
- Drugs and alcohol consumed his life, he was "all about the party"
- One and half year's into Galleon, went from assistant to head trader
- Later went to Argus
- He was good at gathering information, making new relationships
- Take emotion out, you become a better trader
- First big trade -- shorting Sepracor (buying puts) on generic Prozac news
- Made a million in 20 minutes in Sepracor
- Analyst told him hospitals don't hire nurses anymore, it's all contract work through staffing companies
- Bought a slew of staffing companies, then told handful of buddies about the trade
- Lots of upgrades, made a ton of money, made sellside guy a hero (he was ahead of the Street)
- Fellow buyside buddies also made out -- general good cheer all around
- 2003, he's 33 years old, doing $50-$60MM a year in commissions, sellside anxious for a share of it
- Sellside had unlimited expense accounts, any restaurant, any bar, any sporting event, any film festival, any private jet travel
- Scoring drugs or hookers together with a broker is a bonding experience
- Spend $10K on the kid [him] a couple of nights, it's worth a million in commissions
- Do entertaining off the books, no paper trail
- Thought if he had one more steak dinner or martini, he'd explode
- Would buy 200,000 SPYs from someone just to get out of going to dinner with them
- Life of the party, a fun guy
- First time he did cocaine, he was thrilled (but sensed it could become a problem), felt that good
- Drugs, sex, money, alcohol, power -- all mixed into a cocktail that's hard to refuse
- Took two years before he was using cocaine weekly, then later it became daily
- Cocaine mainly came from sellside, only had to pay $200-$300 a week out of pocket
- Hookers once a week, $400-$2,000
- Born in 1969
- "Black hole of addiction"
- Oct. 2006 feigned mugging by throwing self into puddle until bloody to miss work without getting fired
- Made $1.9MM in his biggest year
- Made $10MM over seven year period, mostly bonuses
- "Jump ball" -- 15% of bonus pool up for grabs
- Went from Golden Boy to forced into rehab
- Hungover you don't "pick up as many lights" (answering calls)
- Doing cocaine, you can't sleep, you can't stop
- "New York, the city that never sleeps. Miami, the city that can't sleep"
- Can never match high of first line, feel fantastic for 15 minutes
- Can never get feeling back later no matter how much you snort
- Stored his coke in his sock drawer
- Had a daughter with his girlfriend
- Lives in middle of Long Island now, two miles from daughter, sees her daily
- Pays $1,300 a month in rent, just getting by, trying to stay sober
- Fatburger investment of $1MM a zero
- Bought house at peak in 2007, $2.1MM put in $500K more, sold for $1.2MM
- His old Manhattan apartment was 2,700 sqft, paid $9,300 a month in rent
- Basically pissed away all his money, "living like an asshole for many years"
- Made $22,000 a year at Morgan Stanley, thought if he made $50,000 all his problems solved
- When he made $2MM a year, thought if he made $3MM all his problems solved
- Money makes life easier, not happier
- Look at your intentions versus your actions [sounds like rehab talk]
- www.turneyduff.com
- Twitter: @turneyduff