Episode 115 ... Adam Grimes (107:14)
- Been in the markets for 20 years
- Started out trading small accounts while massively over-leveraged
- Day traded S&P 500 futures
- Got MBA and did a lot of PhD coursework
- Spent time on NY Mercantile Exchange
- CIO for Waverly Advisors
- Has traded everything over every time frame
- "Been around the block a few times"
- Appeared on Chat with Traders episode 20
- Only looks at price, no fundamentals, no political factors
- Trading style is now very simple
- Used to have very marked-up charts, not anymore
- Tries to understand momentum and volatility
- Can't compete with HFT, but:
- There is power in human discretion, intuition
- P&L tells you if you're learning anything over time
- Need money and time to graduate from the "school of hard knocks"
- Discretionary traders need to "ask the data" about their ideas
- Spend a few hours to learn how to use Excel
- Don't need tick data and C++
- Easy to identify patterns in middle of chart, difficult to identify at hard right edge
- He's a "Numbers Nerd"
- Forward test with small trades
- Many find their brilliant system never beats buy and hold [Indeed]
- To pay for your time and risk, must beat buy and hold by huge margin
- Day trading edges usually don't cover transaction costs or the bid-ask spread
- Many successful traders don't understand why they make money
- Was a professional musician before he started trading
- Former composer of music
- Quants tend to be too rigid, lack creativity (engineering backgrounds)
- Big believer in meditation and breath work
- Doesn't base position size on confidence or a "pretty chart pattern"
- The market will encourage you to do the wrong thing at the wrong time
- Grew up in a farm community, so thought he could trade ag futures (wrong)
- He could have 12 hour conversation about any of these topics [I believe it]
- Had no math background (a musician) but he learned later on, anyone can do it
- Need knowledge first, then develop your skills
- People without emotional control rush to become system traders, but:
- Not a substitute, system trading has its own emotional pitfalls
- Focus on just one thing for a few years at first
- Don't be the bee who bounces from flower to flower
- Learning curve at least several years
- Do a lot of trades, collect a lot of data
- Five step plan for struggling traders:
- 1) stop the bleeding (stop trading)
- It's true that you can't learn to trade without trading (but you know you're a loser so stop)
- Struggling traders have no written trading plan 2) write a trading plan
- 3) Start backtesting (yes, they're worthless but you need to find an edge)
- 4) Start forward testing your successful backtest, but without money
- 5) Start trading it with real money (vanishingly small size), mainly about collecting data (slippage, commissions, etc.)
- Have to earn the right to trade size
- Need patience and discipline, trading is a real grind, most can't do it
- He's a fan of group trading, less likely to do "stupid shit" if it hurts everyone
- Trading journey above takes many many months
- Idea of 10,000 hours of practice is misguided
- Are you up for five years of consistent losses? Can you structure your life to do this?
- If you don't know you have an edge, you have no business trading
- Any money you make at first is pure luck
- Traders who are beaten up in the beginning have a better chance for success
- Has large free trading course at his blog
- www.adamhgrimes.com
- Twitter: @AdamHGrimes