Episode 128 ... Andy Kershner (49:55)
- Geologist by training
- Ski bumming, early 1990s
- [Has a laconic speaking style, a native Texan]
- Started trading options out of the library with his buddy with $5,000
- Dyslexic friend, Scott Dyer?, in Texas, great at pattern recognition, "savant-ish"
- Top 100 IBD names, trade options on them ... all pre-internet
- Turned $5,000 into $1,500, couldn't get the prices they saw on the screen
- SOES came into being, little guy finally had a chance to get quoted prices
- Went to Cornerstone Securities, which became ProTrader, in 1996
- David Jamail, David Birch -- founders of Cornerstone?
- ProTrader started with 12 seats in Austin, 500 day traders across branch offices at their peak
- Sold ProTrader to Instinet in 2001, kept proprietary trading group
- He lives and breathes trading
- Cornerstone willing to hire savant buddy, but not him, he was a "trainwreck waiting to happen"
- Worked part-time jobs, was friends with all the ProTrader traders in Austin
- Made one trade a day on the side at first
- Markets change, strategies changes, but habits don't change
- Once he was on his own and loaned enough capital, he made 100K a month "forever"
- 80% of his trades were scratches or small losses, 20% were big winners
- He's from the era when there was a human on the other side of the trade (mid-1990s)
- Computer models today are always searching for stops, no more human involvement
- His biggest strength/weakness: he can take a lot of pain
- Big numbers don't bother him
- Trade according to your psychology, do what works well for you, and is repeatable
- Find an edge and see how large you can do it without changing what you do
- Best traders trade 100,000 shares exactly the same way they trade 1,000 shares
- [He means the decision-making process, not the actual execution which is different]
- If you're sitting in a seat all day, you might as well being doing some size
- He ladders in and out of positions now
- Risks 1.5 to make 3.5 to 4 ... 50:50 odds he's right
- Will triple his size when he thinks he can win big
- Lots of styles work: scalpers, swing traders, high win rates, low win rates ... it can all work
- Have to discover what you're good at, amount of risk you're willing to take
- Develop good habits: journaling, reviewing, preparing
- Strategies don't matter, good habits matter
- Exercise and rest important
- Review at end of day, what you got right and wrong, journaling
- May 23, 2017 ... his MOMO position, wanted out 46-48, didn't happen .. tanked to 38, sold 41
- Lost 90K more on that trade than he expected, gave it too much room [charts below]
- He didn't have his game plan structured well enough, too much thinking on his feet
- Have to do what you think you have to do ... making and losing money doesn't matter
- Fades overextended moves, laddering in, both on the upside and downside
- Where people are getting stopped out, that's where you should step in
- Trades 100% US equities and loses money consistently trading options [he has a sense of humor]
- When you know that you're wrong, get out
- He ladders in equal-sized usually ... position sized by liquidity and confidence
- Find 3-4 : 1 RR winners, win ratio a little better than 50%
- Add to your winners, not your losers
- Teaches people good habits for six weeks at his firm, then they go live
- Looks for people who have overcome adversity, people who can act with limited information
- Engineers tend to be bad discretionary traders
- Common mistake new traders make is thinking it's easy
- Only 2 out of 10 of the carefully chosen, great people he takes in make it, takes years to make it
- Need your finances in order before you start, need your working spouse to float you for those *years*
- Recommends reading Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, Market Wizard books
- Find the best short-term trader you can find, and go work for him (her)
- Shortcut your process
- He talked to all the best traders at first in Austin and cut learning process from five years to one month
- Good trading goes against basic human instincts -- fight or flight, have to do the opposite
- Good trading requires extreme discipline
- Don't keep doing the same thing if it's not working
- If you're overly emotional, look into automated trading
- Do you care about being right or making money?
- Software eating the world, everything is getting automated, incl. trading and investing
- AI is only a tool, still need smart humans to employ it
- Generally uses Python to build models
- www.kershnertrading.com
- www.cloudquant.com