Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 128

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 128 ... Andy Kershner (49:55)

  • Geologist by training
  • Ski bumming, early 1990s
  • [Has a laconic speaking style, a native Texan]
  • Started trading options out of the library with his buddy with $5,000
  • Dyslexic friend, Scott Dyer?, in Texas, great at pattern recognition, "savant-ish"
  • Top 100 IBD names, trade options on them ... all pre-internet
  • Turned $5,000 into $1,500, couldn't get the prices they saw on the screen
  • SOES came into being, little guy finally had a chance to get quoted prices
  • Went to Cornerstone Securities, which became ProTrader, in 1996
  • David Jamail, David Birch -- founders of Cornerstone?
  • ProTrader started with 12 seats in Austin, 500 day traders across branch offices at their peak
  • Sold ProTrader to Instinet in 2001, kept proprietary trading group
  • He lives and breathes trading
  • Cornerstone willing to hire savant buddy, but not him, he was a "trainwreck waiting to happen"
  • Worked part-time jobs, was friends with all the ProTrader traders in Austin
  • Made one trade a day on the side at first
  • Markets change, strategies changes, but habits don't change
  • Once he was on his own and loaned enough capital, he made 100K a month "forever"
  • 80% of his trades were scratches or small losses, 20% were big winners
  • He's from the era when there was a human on the other side of the trade (mid-1990s)
  • Computer models today are always searching for stops, no more human involvement
  • His biggest strength/weakness: he can take a lot of pain
  • Big numbers don't bother him
  • Trade according to your psychology, do what works well for you, and is repeatable
  • Find an edge and see how large you can do it without changing what you do 
  • Best traders trade 100,000 shares exactly the same way they trade 1,000 shares 
  • [He means the decision-making process, not the actual execution which is different]
  • If you're sitting in a seat all day, you might as well being doing some size
  • He ladders in and out of positions now
  • Risks 1.5 to make 3.5 to 4 ... 50:50 odds he's right
  • Will triple his size when he thinks he can win big
  • Lots of styles work: scalpers, swing traders, high win rates, low win rates ... it can all work
  • Have to discover what you're good at, amount of risk you're willing to take
  • Develop good habits: journaling, reviewing, preparing
  • Strategies don't matter, good habits matter
  • Exercise and rest important
  • Review at end of day, what you got right and wrong, journaling
  • May 23, 2017 ... his MOMO position, wanted out 46-48, didn't happen .. tanked to 38, sold 41 
  • Lost 90K more on that trade than he expected, gave it too much room [charts below]
  • He didn't have his game plan structured well enough, too much thinking on his feet
  • Have to do what you think you have to do ... making and losing money doesn't matter
  • Fades overextended moves, laddering in, both on the upside and downside
  • Where people are getting stopped out, that's where you should step in
  • Trades 100% US equities and loses money consistently trading options [he has a sense of humor]
  • When you know that you're wrong, get out
  • He ladders in equal-sized usually ... position sized by liquidity and confidence
  • Find 3-4 : 1 RR winners, win ratio a little better than 50%
  • Add to your winners, not your losers
  • Teaches people good habits for six weeks at his firm, then they go live
  • Looks for people who have overcome adversity, people who can act with limited information 
  • Engineers tend to be bad discretionary traders
  • Common mistake new traders make is thinking it's easy
  • Only 2 out of 10 of the carefully chosen, great people he takes in make it, takes years to make it
  • Need your finances in order before you start, need your working spouse to float you for those *years*
  • Recommends reading Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, Market Wizard books
  • Find the best short-term trader you can find, and go work for him (her)
  • Shortcut your process
  • He talked to all the best traders at first in Austin and cut learning process from five years to one month
  • Good trading goes against basic human instincts -- fight or flight, have to do the opposite
  • Good trading requires extreme discipline
  • Don't keep doing the same thing if it's not working
  • If you're overly emotional, look into automated trading
  • Do you care about being right or making money?
  • Software eating the world, everything is getting automated, incl. trading and investing
  • AI is only a tool, still need smart humans to employ it
  • Generally uses Python to build models
  • www.kershnertrading.com
  • www.cloudquant.com