Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 139

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 139 ... Bobby Cho (39:38)

  • Worked for Restricted Stock Partners which became Second Market, eventually bought by Nasdaq
  • Traded illiquid assets for these firms, trying to value esoteric stuff, on desk for six years
  • Discovered Bitcoin: just another opaque, illiquid market at the end of 2013
  • Worked for itBit, Bitcoin exchange domiciled in Singapore
  • Bitcoin missing infrastructure back then
  • Must establish exchange if you want to get institutional money into Bitcoin
  • itBit got first digital currency trust company charter, New York State Department of Financial Services-regulated
  • Gemini is the second company to go the trust company charter route
  • Now he works for DRW / Cumberland Mining
  • Lion's share of volume they do is Bitcoin and Ethereum
  • Cumberland Mining desk can handle institutional-sized cryptocurrency trades that exchanges can't handle
  • First thing you have to do is read the White Paper on Bitcoin
  • Bitcoin is a 24-7, global market
  • DRW Trading has a number of verticals: trading (HFT), real estate, venture capital, cryptocurrencies
  • Curious people are attracted to cryptocurrencies
  • Don Wilson is entrepreneurial and curious
  • Cumberland Mining -- no investors, shareholders or clients -- just trade their own book
  • Cumberland Mining was started in 2014
  • Market making in Bitcoin for block transactions, exchanges can't handle that size
  • Bitcoin is a push function, once you send it, it's gone ... scary to institutional investors
  • Bitcoin price discovery is still fluid, 200+ separate exchanges worldwide
  • Custody is the major issue with Bitcoin ... where to go for it? 
  • Institutional investors get nervous about custody issues, very leery of cryptocurrencies as a result
  • Top ten cryptocurrency exchanges all domiciled in different locations with different regulatory requirements
  • Liquidity completely fragmented
  • Every exchange has a different fee structure
  • Difficult even to wire money in and out of exchanges, different fees for each exchange 
  • KYC -- Know Your Customer ... all about compliance with anti-money laundering regulations
  • People are trying to arbitrage Bitcoin among exchanges, but not much of an edge there
  • People drawn to Bitcoin at first by the price volatilily -- pure speculation
  • Core investors in Bitcoin understand the technology, the ease of use, they're believers, not speculators
  • Bobby is just a Bitcoin market maker, won't speculate on its long term outlook
  • Twitter: @robertjcho