Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 148

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 148 ... John Grady (83:26)

  • 41 years old
  • Learned about Level 2 at prop firm in Colorado
  • Next worked at prop firm in Chicago
  • In Chicago was the first time he saw Depth of Market (DOM) for futures
  • [Has a southern twang, wonder where he's from?]
  • Look for big orders
  • Guys on the floor weren't geniuses, they just understood order flow
  • Left prop firm, on his own now for ten years
  • Order book also know as Depth of Market (DOM) matrix
  • When you see market orders wiping out limit orders, you know someone is moving size
  • Volume is most important, price chart doesn't represent volume as well as the DOM
  • Important volume to watch is at each price within the DOM (horizontal bar) 
  • Jigsaw is the DOM he uses
  • Trades Treasuries exclusively
  • Treasuries are liquid, logical and steady ... bank-traded and the banks are trading spreads 
  • Crude oil, for example, is thin and erratic ... easily manipulated
  • Can't ramp up your size trading gold, for example, you'll max your size at 10 or 20 contracts
  • With Treasuries you can trade 100 or 200 contracts the same way you can trade a ten lot
  • He trades outrights, only watches the spreads, doesn't trade them
  • Market context is important, depending on the regular news releases
  • No real average number of trades for him, can go from two to twenty trades a day
  • Extraordinarily boring to take three trades a day as an order flow trader, but that's the job
  • Trading requires tremendous patience and discipline
  • Almost all of his losses are the result of forcing trades out of boredom
  • People who trade from home need ten times the discipline (no in-office banter to distract them)
  • You start surfing the net out of boredom, that's the exact moment a trade sets up
  • When you see you've missed the trade, you chase, and end up losing (of course)
  • He might hold a trade for ten seconds to ten, twelve, twenty minutes
  • Market moves two ticks in his favor, he can always scratch the trade
  • On average holds trades three to twelve minutes
  • Retail traders try to trail a stop instead of just taking a trade off -- a mistake
  • If he gets out too early, he'll instantly re-enter
  • He figures out his trade size based on the situation
  • He think in terms of ticks, how many ticks will he possibly lose, sizes appropriately
  • Sometimes you need five ticks of leeway, just have to give it room, size appropriately 
  • Never move your stop loss
  • Don't turn a planned three tick loss into an eight tick loss by pulling your stop
  • He always places an emergency stop loss in the market (3-5 ticks away)
  • Manually figures out the exit, Treasuries liquid enough to do this
  • He markets out, doesn't want to chase out with a limit order
  • He always wants to use a limit order, but often circumstances don't allow
  • Use a market order to get the fill, sometimes you just have to pay up
  • He goes all in and all out, no scaling
  • Don't screw up your risk reward by scaling in or scaling out
  • Most people screw up scaling, they average losers and minimize their winners
  • Big differences among markets ... must choose the right market to trade
  • To trade DAX you need orders in the book, it can reverse in seconds ... too thin!
  • Automated orders are essential in thin markets like DAX or Gold
  • Liquid markets like Treasuries, S&P, Bobl, Eurostoxx, can use discretion, manually adjust orders
  • Try to watch total amount of contracts at each price
  • Specialize in one market, study that one DOM and only that
  • Same players in the same markets every day, they behave consistently
  • You must record your trading screen or do market replay
  • Pay attention to market turning points when you're watching the replay
  • Fast forward, rewind, pause ... study the replay closely.
  • You will learn more from watching replays for a month than you will from journaling trades for a year
  • You need a lot of study and screen time with a good DOM
  • Only three good depth of market providers:
  1. Jigsaw has inside columns, uptick/downtick splits are key column, exlcusive to them ($50 a month, stupid cheap)
  2. TT's X_Trader
  3. CQG
  • No subsititute for screen time
  • When learning, watch two to three hours a day, don't watch all day
  • Then open a live account and start trading one lots, enter the fire
  • Anyone trading a longer time frame doesn't need the DOM
  • Most people shouldn't swing trade: too many things can happen to take you out
  • HFT can spike things up and down in seconds
  • If you think you know where the market will be in two hours, you're delusional
  • People who understand fundamentals, that's a different kind of trading
  • Swing trading is the worst, just crazy that people try to do it
  • He's never met a successful swing trader, and he's been around awhile [me too]
  • You can predict the next six minutes better than you can the next sixty minutes
  • If you trade size, you can scalp for six cents ... sensible only with serious size
  • Fifteen or even ten years ago, the speed of trading very different
  • You could hit a big order as it was leaving, not anymore!
  • HFTs try to be in a breakeven trade immediately
  • HFTs will instantly scratch if they think they're on the wrong side [they never reveal scratch rate]
  • HFTs want to risk nothing to make something 
  • You need to be able to anticipate so much more in the age of HFT
  • There's a lack of volatility today too, so much volume now, nothing can run anymore
  • His edge is in his discretion
  • If AI develops that can replicate that human discretion, the human traders will not be able to compete
  • Best AI can already beat best human chess players, trading similar to chess
  • The big guys have the speed locked down, huge unfair advantage
  • Market makers game the time-price priority of the book
  • HFT get a free look from their constant partial fills [the bastards], you can't compete with that
  • By knowing your market, you can spot the spoof orders more easily
  • Spoofing happens all day every day
  • "Order Flow Basics" -- basic principles video
  • "Order Flow Scalping" -- a popular video of his
  • www.nobsdaytrading.com
  • Twitter: @nobsdaytrading