Episode 148 ... John Grady (83:26)
- 41 years old
- Learned about Level 2 at prop firm in Colorado
- Next worked at prop firm in Chicago
- In Chicago was the first time he saw Depth of Market (DOM) for futures
- [Has a southern twang, wonder where he's from?]
- Look for big orders
- Guys on the floor weren't geniuses, they just understood order flow
- Left prop firm, on his own now for ten years
- Order book also know as Depth of Market (DOM) matrix
- When you see market orders wiping out limit orders, you know someone is moving size
- Volume is most important, price chart doesn't represent volume as well as the DOM
- Important volume to watch is at each price within the DOM (horizontal bar)
- Jigsaw is the DOM he uses
- Trades Treasuries exclusively
- Treasuries are liquid, logical and steady ... bank-traded and the banks are trading spreads
- Crude oil, for example, is thin and erratic ... easily manipulated
- Can't ramp up your size trading gold, for example, you'll max your size at 10 or 20 contracts
- With Treasuries you can trade 100 or 200 contracts the same way you can trade a ten lot
- He trades outrights, only watches the spreads, doesn't trade them
- Market context is important, depending on the regular news releases
- No real average number of trades for him, can go from two to twenty trades a day
- Extraordinarily boring to take three trades a day as an order flow trader, but that's the job
- Trading requires tremendous patience and discipline
- Almost all of his losses are the result of forcing trades out of boredom
- People who trade from home need ten times the discipline (no in-office banter to distract them)
- You start surfing the net out of boredom, that's the exact moment a trade sets up
- When you see you've missed the trade, you chase, and end up losing (of course)
- He might hold a trade for ten seconds to ten, twelve, twenty minutes
- Market moves two ticks in his favor, he can always scratch the trade
- On average holds trades three to twelve minutes
- Retail traders try to trail a stop instead of just taking a trade off -- a mistake
- If he gets out too early, he'll instantly re-enter
- He figures out his trade size based on the situation
- He think in terms of ticks, how many ticks will he possibly lose, sizes appropriately
- Sometimes you need five ticks of leeway, just have to give it room, size appropriately
- Never move your stop loss
- Don't turn a planned three tick loss into an eight tick loss by pulling your stop
- He always places an emergency stop loss in the market (3-5 ticks away)
- Manually figures out the exit, Treasuries liquid enough to do this
- He markets out, doesn't want to chase out with a limit order
- He always wants to use a limit order, but often circumstances don't allow
- Use a market order to get the fill, sometimes you just have to pay up
- He goes all in and all out, no scaling
- Don't screw up your risk reward by scaling in or scaling out
- Most people screw up scaling, they average losers and minimize their winners
- Big differences among markets ... must choose the right market to trade
- To trade DAX you need orders in the book, it can reverse in seconds ... too thin!
- Automated orders are essential in thin markets like DAX or Gold
- Liquid markets like Treasuries, S&P, Bobl, Eurostoxx, can use discretion, manually adjust orders
- Try to watch total amount of contracts at each price
- Specialize in one market, study that one DOM and only that
- Same players in the same markets every day, they behave consistently
- You must record your trading screen or do market replay
- Pay attention to market turning points when you're watching the replay
- Fast forward, rewind, pause ... study the replay closely.
- You will learn more from watching replays for a month than you will from journaling trades for a year
- You need a lot of study and screen time with a good DOM
- Only three good depth of market providers:
- Jigsaw has inside columns, uptick/downtick splits are key column, exlcusive to them ($50 a month, stupid cheap)
- TT's X_Trader
- CQG
- No subsititute for screen time
- When learning, watch two to three hours a day, don't watch all day
- Then open a live account and start trading one lots, enter the fire
- Anyone trading a longer time frame doesn't need the DOM
- Most people shouldn't swing trade: too many things can happen to take you out
- HFT can spike things up and down in seconds
- If you think you know where the market will be in two hours, you're delusional
- People who understand fundamentals, that's a different kind of trading
- Swing trading is the worst, just crazy that people try to do it
- He's never met a successful swing trader, and he's been around awhile [me too]
- You can predict the next six minutes better than you can the next sixty minutes
- If you trade size, you can scalp for six cents ... sensible only with serious size
- Fifteen or even ten years ago, the speed of trading very different
- You could hit a big order as it was leaving, not anymore!
- HFTs try to be in a breakeven trade immediately
- HFTs will instantly scratch if they think they're on the wrong side [they never reveal scratch rate]
- HFTs want to risk nothing to make something
- You need to be able to anticipate so much more in the age of HFT
- There's a lack of volatility today too, so much volume now, nothing can run anymore
- His edge is in his discretion
- If AI develops that can replicate that human discretion, the human traders will not be able to compete
- Best AI can already beat best human chess players, trading similar to chess
- The big guys have the speed locked down, huge unfair advantage
- Market makers game the time-price priority of the book
- HFT get a free look from their constant partial fills [the bastards], you can't compete with that
- By knowing your market, you can spot the spoof orders more easily
- Spoofing happens all day every day
- "Order Flow Basics" -- basic principles video
- "Order Flow Scalping" -- a popular video of his
- www.nobsdaytrading.com
- Twitter: @nobsdaytrading