Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 20

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 20 ... Kunal Desai (65:15)

  • Likes Costa Rica, it's like "Jurassic Park"
  • Dad is an engineer, always dabbled in the stock market, "the worst trader in the world"
  • Graduated high school during the dot com boom, everyone was a day trader
  • Opened first account with "buyandholdtrading.com"
  • Looked for ideas at MSN Money, Jim Jubak
  • Lost all his money in less than a week during dot com bust
  • Lost all his money again in Global Crossing, Nortel Networks, Lucent Technologies bust
  • Had years of this kind of up and down disappointment
  • These losses taught him how to be resilient
  • Met Paul Singh online
  • Indian people love to get free stuff from other Indian people
  • Desai had knowledge but no trading methodology
  • Had to corral what he knew and make a cookbook, systematize his knowledge
  • Build routines to build a trader
  • How do you size your position? You have to have a method
  • People freeze when they have a loss, deer in headlights, can't get out
  • A-ha moments come from competence and then repetition, practice time
  • Competence plus screen time, you begin seeing things clearly
  • People give up or blow up before they get requisite screen time
  • Takes thousands of repetitions, simulated or live or trade reviews, to reach a-ha moment
  • Took Desai *years* to get profitable
  • Paul Singh, veteran trader, passed down his knowledge to him 
  • Took another year before he said, yes, I can do this forever
  • How long do doctors and lawyers go to school before they make a buck? Years! Trading no different
  • Desai trades momentum stocks, a trend trader, both long and short
  • Read William O'Neil, made sense to him, better matched his personality than Buffett buy and hold
  • Earnings breakouts the most powerful thing he has seen in trading
  • Good daily chart an absolute necessity
  • Earnings surpises are the best, people rush in
  • High relative volume makes patterns very clean
  • Being a generalist will not make you money
  • Master one or two things, better than knowledge of 20 or 30 things
  • Mastery takes the thinking out of a trade
  • Once a stock gets in play, you trade it both long and short, keep it on your radar
  • Must understand your own personality, what you're comfortable with, what fits you
  • If you're uncomfortable, you're not going to trade well
  • Find something that you "vibe" with
  • He can't tame himself, he's a wild, aggressive man and accepts that
  • He has max loss on his trading account, $2,000 a day is his max ... stops trading at -$2,000 mark
  • Live to fight another day
  • When you see the market well, push it
  • Give back rule: if you give back half your gains, cut yourself off
  • He experiences FOMO a lot, worse for him than taking losses
  • "You chase, you die" -- condition yourself to know this
  • Market gives you endless opportunities, "on to the next one"
  • "Skills are cheap, passion is priceless" ... don't get into trading for the money
  • People without passion give up at the first sign of trouble
  • Long, rocky road to trading success ... need passion to get through it
  • It takes years and years and years before you make any money
  • You can't date, you miss weddings, birthday parties, etc.
  • You have to work like a dog, long hours, huge cost
  • Desai had desk job while he was learning how to trade, he was obsessed with trading though
  • His successful students all have incredible resilience
  • "Oh shit, this is going to be hard." People quit.
  • People get frustrated and give up, even with the simulator
  • Once people start live trading, their money is on the line, they go to dark places, the resilient make it
  • Lots of talented people just give up once they get knocked down
  • You are not trading chart patterns, you are trading your hopes and dreams
  • Can't learn how to trade when you need the money from trading
  • Every good trader is in good shape, no fatties, "get your pump on"
  • He needs to trade with a beach view, helps him maintain his perspective
  • Whoever you are, it will come out in your trading, get to the root of it
  • Everbody knows the patterns, everybody knows what to do, but only 1% can actually do it
  • bullsonwallstreet.com (est. 2008)
  • You need a mentor, a community, to learn how to trade
  • "My man!"
  • Twitter: kunal00