Notes for Chat with Traders, Episode 105

Added on by C. Maoxian.

Episode 105 ... Brendan Poots (58:00)

  • Family in Perth, but he's Irish
  • Bet size versus volume of bets taken per match very important (bet sizing)
  • English Premier League match has average pool of $10-$20MM , AFL (Australian Football League) only $300,000
  • Bet size must be proportional to pool, must focus on liquid sports 
  • There are only a few global sports betting exchanges
  • Advent of in-play sports betting, basically real-time now, not a binary outcome anymore
  • Win lose draw ... must consider the draws in many sports
  • Money comes in towards kickoff, odds tend to be farther off before then
  • "Having a bet" is an Irish tradition, "the joys of punting"
  • Studied chemical engineering in University
  • Played cricket in England, his sponsor was a bookmaker. he worked nights for him
  • Couldn't cut the mustard as a cricketer, switched to investment banking
  • 2006 got scholarship to Columbia U., got his MBA
  • Didn't want to be lackey at age 33 in investment banking [also true for me with an MBA at age 30 after dot com bust]
  • Plus no jobs after Great Financial Crisis
  • Understood BetFair, 2008-2009 started building his own sports betting business
  • Made money on his own with sports betting, built short track record
  • 2010 raised some money and started his "sports hedge fund"
  • Individuals now give him several hundred thousand dollars a pop to manage
  • Started out as a punter but quickly morphed into strategic betting
  • "Betting" "Gambling" "Investing in Sport"
  • Has offshore office in Gibraltar, AIFMD regulated
  • Australia-based fund, small fund, number of investors limited, investors must have $500K+
  • Everyone got hit in Global Financial Crisis, but sports betting uncorrelated, immune to crisis
  • Lot of smart people in financial world, tough to compete, esp. if you lack passion
  • He lacked motivation and passion for finance, but loved sports
  • He's obstinate and likes proving people wrong
  • He's good at compartmentalizing his loves, driven by numbers and opportunity, not emotionally invested in any one team
  • First investors were friends, but still had to capital-guarantee their investments 
  • Sports betting is no longer a binary outcome
  • Betfair, Matchbook
  • Bad month -1%, good month +4%, he has taken the volatility out of it
  • Cherry picks the trades he makes, only acts when he can capture big premium
  • 95-97% of his trades are hedged, will act in real time to offset bet
  • Typical trade lasts 15 or 20 minutes, by end of game he's long gone
  • Psychological aspect of taking your profit and running, plus the risk/reward ratio changes after first goal (for example)
  • Doesn't touch basketball (injuries throw off data)
  • Markets overreact to injured players, presents opportunity
  • European fund denominated in GBP
  • Need more than a smart statistician or mathematician, need one with an innate understanding of the sport
  • Need to understand momentum shifts in sports
  • AFL too small a market, just can't play it, liquidity isn't there, can't hedge, can't exit
  • His analysts don't trade and his traders don't analyze
  • American gamblers used to binary outcomes, don't get the hedging concept
  • Needs at least 25% premium (his price vs. market price) in marketplace for him to get interested, a.k.a., Ben Grossbaum's "margin of safety"
  • Trials trading strategies, builds database, backtests it against old results
  • Historical sports data is a commodity, easy to build a model
  • Real-time data you have to subscribe to
  • Ball possession used to be considered a useful statistic, not true anymore, just noise
  • People want to see volatility-adjusted returns, "number of negative months"
  • Match fixing, spot fixing still happens ... incentives not there at high levels of sport, just low levels
  • "Tennis players at low levels scratching around for a living"
  • Three things you need to know to get into sports betting: 
  1. there's always another race 
  2. bet what you know and understand
  3. if you want to make money, do it in a boring way, slow and steady
  • His typical bet size is very small -- single trade max 3% funds under management (bankroll), typically 1 to 1.5%
  • Hit singles, not home runs (which are hard to find)
  • www.priomha.com
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